The thing with Christianity and the Trinity is that there all about God, but there different things about God. That can get very confusing at times. . . . But on the other hands What is the Trinity? The Trinity is what we say is The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. [Isaac’s included his own drawing of the shield of Athanasius here.] Basicallay, God is the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit. Its really hard.
Indeed. And Isaac’s third draft (he tends to grow
dissatisfied with previous drafts quite easily) reads:
Christianity is a thing which is used for thousands of people. All though we say We believe in the trinity, some people just say it when they don’t know what the trinity is.THE TRINITYThe trinity is what Christians say it’s the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All though Christians say an understandable speech, “God is Jesus”, is a very confusing, understandable speech. What the speech basicaly means, is that God is known as three peoples, The Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.
Indeed again. I’m impressed that he’s trying to sort all
this out at such a young age. But this does prompt a question: How does one
explain the doctrine of the Trinity to children? A couple of weeks ago, Isaac
and I had a discussion about the Trinity. I showed him the aforementioned
shield of Athanasius and he seemed to get it at the time. But I also thought
I’d ask my Facebook friends (many of whom are actually real friends, too) how
they’d explain the Trinity to children. Some advocated the use of analogies
such as God as an apple, God as a psychosomatic composite, God as H2O (I know
this one’s potentially modalist, but I guess modalism can be avoided by
affirming that God is water, steam, and ice all at the same time), and God as a
chord (I quite like this one). However, when trying to explain the Trinity –
and here I introduce the caveat that I don’t mean to use ‘explain’ in any
thoroughgoing sense, as though I’m trying to evacuate a mystery of its content –
when trying to explain the Trinity, I’m not convinced that the employment of
analogies is the way forward, even when trying to do so to children. Are
children totally incapable of conceptual thought? I’m not convinced. They might
find such thought difficult, but, in this case, I don’t think it’s necessary to
try to come up with some kind of picture to make the doctrine of the Trinity comprehensible.
Or perhaps I’m being too harsh on the use of analogies here.
Of course, most (all?) language is analogical, but I don’t
think analogical language is necessarily the same as analogies. I haven’t found
the words to express myself adequately here (and isn’t that a key thing here?),
but what I’m wary of is the use of individual analogues arranged in particular
ways to provide an explanation of something else. While I admit that calling
God the Father ‘Father’ is to use an analogical term (‘Father’!), I’d suggest
that there’s a difference between this and saying that God the Father is, say,
‘steam’ or ‘ice’ (on the H2O analogy), even if, so far, I can’t fully articulate
what this difference is.
One of my Facebook friends also suggested that it’s adults
who get hung up over using analogies for the Trinity, whereas children
themselves seem to accept a blanket ‘God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’ description
without requiring further qualification. My friend recommended making worship
explicitly trinitarian rather than functionally modalist, and I’d definitely
agree with him on that. There’s a need for our children to learn not only the
name ‘God’, but the trinitarian grammar by which we use and understand that name.
And this is where I have another concern. Our worship is very often trinitarian
in expression, insofar as there are constant references to God the Father, God
the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (I am pleased to say that Common Worship, which I ‘use’ as a member of the Church of England,
clearly affirms faith in the triune God). But if, in our worship, we do not
have at least an occasional grammar lesson about the threefold name of the
triune God; if we do not have sermons or songs addressing the significance of
the grammar and language of God; if we do not grant our congregations the
liturgical and conceptual space to allow them to be participate in the life of
the triune God through sacramental acts and the faithful preaching of the
biblical story of which we are all part, and which would ground the
meaningfulness of the sacraments; then what exactly is the point of holding
fast to the concept of a triune God, and why should we bother attempting to
explain it to anyone, let alone our children?
Can we get the icon of Athanasius too?
ReplyDeleteI'd be quite happy with that!
DeleteAll I can say is that Isaac is a genius. Joel writes, but all of his epics are gory thriller/horror stories or Doctor Who episodes. Nothing remotely Christian or theological.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea how to explain the Trinity to adults, let alone children. The chord idea is one that appeals to me too, though it has flaws like all the other analogies. Another related idea I quite like is of the singer, the song and the 'singing'; and also of music as composed of melody, harmony and rhythm.
But my favourite idea is that of Reality, Truth (which is the description of reality) and Meaning (which explains or mediates truth).
Or maybe we should just settle for rock, paper, scissors... ;)
You mean rock, paper, scissors, Spock, lizard, don't you? http://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html
DeleteThe only analogy I think has any mileage as far as I can see is 1 x 1 x 1 = 1; but then, I'm neither a mathematician nor theologically savvy enough to spot any issue with that one. I'm still inclined to think that one can't use analogies to explain the Trinity; instead, must one imbibe the trinitarian dynamic at work in Scripture, liturgy, etc. But perhaps I should attempt to write something brief, explaining the Athanasian Creed for children: "Here's a creed, younglings, that the Church of England is required to say at least fourteen times a year, but I bet you've never even heard of it, let alone confessed it."
The problem with 1 x 1 x 1 is that 1 x 1 and 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 equally = 1. So there's nothing particularly unique about the '3' element.
DeleteOr there's the three dimensions of matter... until you add in time.
In the end I do think it's a bit hopeless trying to explain the Trinity.
Ah, of course. You could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on with that. I guess it could help if you're already convinced that God is Trinity and trying to account for triunity; but for apologetic purposes, it would fail to convince.
DeleteI don't profess to understand triunity in any way, but what seems most crucial to me about it is the essential inter-personal nature of God; the fundamental relationality of the Godhead. And for this, I think 3 is the perfect number. 1 is alone, isolated, aloof; 2 is an exclusive relationship, like a married couple; but 3 is arguably the minimum number at which the relationship can become inclusive - a circle of relating into which others can be included. But again, I'm not sure if that's convincing as an apologetic!
DeleteWell, it might work as an apologetic, but the danger for me is that the example appears to base the relationships between the three persons of the Trinity on human relationships in such a way that (a) it doesn't necessarily do justice to the unity of God and so (b) could lead to (a form of) tritheism . . . possibly! The fundamental basis for me is God's self-revelation: that God has revealed Godself to be Father, Son, and Spirit, and so there must be - and can only ever be - three persons.
DeleteSo just to be controversial... how has God definitively revealed Godself to be three (and only three) persons?
DeleteIn my view, Scripture points to the self-revelation of God in Christ, who became incarnate by the power of the Holy Spirit. And the accounts of Jesus's baptism point to three persons, as well. Of course, I suppose any biblical text can be interpreted in such a way that they don't point to the Trinity.
ReplyDeleteNo, that works for me, and that's as good a biblical justification for the Trinity as I've come across. I'd still want to keep a small question mark next to the whole doctrine just because that's how my mind works - I'm not convinced it's possible for us to have anything more than a partial model of God-ness, even if said model is God-revealed. And of course there will be questions over how we best interpret and apply the doctrine. But on the whole, I'm good with Trinitarianism, as I'm sure you'll be relieved to hear ;)
ReplyDeleteThe crucial thing to note here is that a partial model of God-ness - especially if God-revealed - does not mean an inaccurate model of God-ness. But otherwise, yup.
Delete